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We are Media Now World. Welcome to our show. I am with my co-host tonight. I have Robyn
Austin with us. Say hello to everybody. Hello, everyone. Delighted to be with you and
so glad that you could join us. And we also have Debbie Carroll with us tonight.
Hello. I'm glad that you had the opportunity to do this. I have been working with
Louis Ann and Robyn through their journey. We have between us about a dozen either
blog-talk radio show names or we have book names now. We've got all kinds of
stuff. So I just wanted to familiarize you with the probate trap and FaceUs are
the ones that Robyn and Louis Ann have been using. And I've started off
with the fourth branch. We the people are the fourth branch of government and we
have a right to have our own common law grand jury to investigate. But it doesn't
happen. It's not happening in our the way our government is right now and it's
they don't want the people to be in charge. I also have had a child justice
and my latest venture is consideration. It is a non-profit that we have founded.
We have a lot of supporters and what I'm asking people to do is to like any and
all of these on the different platforms. So on Facebook and on on X. We're on
X. We have to get to certain numbers in order to enter the larger platforms. And
so we want you to like and follow us on Facebook. I have consideration and we
have the parent trap. It's FaceUs is also on just like them all. Just you know get
into all the different places that you can go and like we want you to trust
us. We want you to know that we go to the courts. We go to we work with the
families. We get their stories and I want to tell you there's this huge gap in
information between what the parents and the families know about their cases and
what the judge is told and the intervening the gatekeeper organization is
the Department of Human Services or both the adult protective services and
child protective services. And in the family law cases the gatekeeper is the
other side's attorney pretty much the way it looks to me. That they don't allow
stuff to be entered and there's a lot of truths that happen a lot of
circumstances. And so we have been working on a case and I decided that
the back story needs to be told. I was very concerned when I was in the
courtroom last week with Luanne and we're very concerned at some of the
behaviors that we were seeing. Not only the words we were hearing but the way
people were acting. And I know that the judge has so much authority so much
power and I'm very concerned that no matter what anybody says to this
judge is going to make a difference. It's going to get through. It's going to
change the trajectory. We are talking about what used to be for biologically
related children to both of the parents. There is a fifth child involved who
is adopted by the father but is the mother's biological child. The two
oldest girls are aged out of this case and that leaves an older
brother, a middle sister and a younger brother. We're not going to be
naming any names because we want you to hear the patterns that we're seeing,
the information that we're hearing and help you to understand that the
judge is not quote not aware of the information that we're going to
share. So I'm going to jump right in with the beginning of the case.
Before we do that Debbie, let's go ahead and introduce Steven Phillips. He's
also has worked with our organization and he's with News For Us.World.
Go ahead and introduce yourself, Steven. What we've been up to lately.
Yes, I'm Steven Phillips with News For Us World. I've been helping Luanne
and Robin get their platform transferred over from blog talk to all the
live streaming social media sites that we can stream to now on Facebook,
Rumble, YouTube, Twitter. We're working on the Rumble or the Twitter and the
YouTube. But right now as it is, we are live on on a few platforms,
Facebook included as well as Rumble. And so I've been helping them
transfer over all their content and get it over to a video streaming
service so that they can up their game and increase their audience and get
the word out. Right. So right. Thank you so much. Robin, do you have anything
you want to say before we go on to the show? Just that I'm very happy to be
able to work with Steven Phillips. He's a real professional who does amazing
things with computers and computer languages and all of those areas.
And he's also a very, very intelligent and educated and careful
journalist in his own right. I've appeared with him on News For Us World on
more than one occasion. And he always researches his topics very carefully.
He always maintains a balanced view. And so I really just appreciate
being able to work with him. And also with you, Luanne, you've always
you've always had a heart for the underdog. You've always had a heart
for justice. And it's a pleasure and an honor to be able to work
with you. And Debbie Carol, I've known you for years also. And I know that
your heart is just on fire to see the justice done on behalf of the children
of the world and the children that are not treated right in the courts.
And I have great admiration for you. And it's a delight to be in all
of your illustrious company. Same here, Robin. Yeah. And we just
wanted to talk to you a little bit about consideration. Debbie Carol
has a nonprofit organization called Consideration. And on the probate
trap, we do have a donate button on there. If you'd like to go there
and donate anything as welcome, Debbie has also the consideration is a dot
org. Is your consideration, consideration, nonprofit, all one word.
So there's two ends consideration and non, and then another end
nonprofit dot org. And it also has a donate button.
Right. So please, please donate if you can to these organizations. As you
know, Debbie works a lot with the CPS and the family courts. And then we
also take up the slack on the probate courts. And we talked to you about
stories that you hardly ever hear on here on the main news media. So
we're here to bring you some stories and to let you know what's
really going on behind closed doors of what we see. And we don't try to
mention names. We don't try to talk against anybody. We don't talk
against judges. We do love the judges that are doing their jobs. We do
also love the attorneys that are doing their jobs and helping
families reunite and doing what's good for families. So we're here to
bring you, you know, remember today, December 15, 2024. I always like
to put the dates in there just in case. But go ahead, Debbie.
Huck a little bit. I know that we were in court. Was it last Friday? Or last
week it was. I can't remember what day it was. But it was kind of
disturbing to me to know that a man is in there with his four children.
You know, he wants his children back. But for some reason, these courts
just don't seem like they just want to give the kids back to the
families, even though this father, in my opinion, was an excellent
father. I've seen his home. I've written in there. I've witnessed how
clean it was. And you know what this family is, he just wants his
children back. I can't I don't blame him. I would be very upset if
that happened to me as well. So Debbie, go ahead and tell me a
little bit about what we witnessed in there. And boy, I
tell you, one of the judges had this comment on me. I have to
say this first. We were sitting in back of the courtroom. And
this judge says, Hey, you know, we don't want to hear from the
peanut gallery in the back. And I'm like the peanut gallery of all
the zoom calls I have ever witnessed. I've never heard a judge
say that. What's your opinion on that Debbie? Wasn't that kind
of shocking?
I've heard some really bad things from judges. But they're
worse if we're not there. Believe me, they're way worse if
we're not in the room at the point. So I was helping the dad was
on the witness stand and he couldn't remember which year and
it was really important. And I just said he he wasn't sure if
it was 22 or you know, I just went three. And that that was
enough to make the judge say she didn't want to hear
anything. But the time the second time she rebuked us
was when one of our other court watchers was whispering
and she called us out for whispering. And that's when she
said I don't want I don't need to hear from the peanut gallery.
And that, you know, that's demeaning that gives you insight
into what she thinks about us. But there's a real good reason
she's not happy with us. And the real good reason is what we're
doing right there. This very moment. So I just wanted to
first of all give a shout out to Brandy. She's a real
strong supporter down in the location, where the this this
county. So just to let you know, we're going to call the county
the county. We're not naming which county, we're going to
call the Department of Human Services, Child Protective
Services, the department, that's what they call
themselves, just like in 1984, the book by George Orwell.
So some scary truth that seems to like some very, very
interesting parallels there. I actually taught that book about
three or four years or while I retired 10 years ago, written
the very end of my career. In the beginning of my career, I
taught Brave New World. And I had to reread it because that
was like 40 years ago. So yeah, man, it's I mean, it starts
off with the babies in the, in the different levels on the
floors with the different babies, and the ones that are
going to be the workers that get alcohol in there, all
the embryos are growing in the labs. They're not growing
inside of the women anymore. So if you want a really
interesting read Brave New World. But I just want to
start off with the background here. This was a family of a
husband and wife. I would have to say that the wife was
much younger. And I think that some of the problems that
arose in the marriage might have been from the fact
that she was very young when she got married. And I don't
think that she was prepared for what life, you know, what
she was going to learn about life and what she wanted to
do. She didn't have a chance to like spread her wings, or
to go to college or anything before she got married. And
so I think that really brought a lot of tension as time
went on. She brought a baby to the marriage. And they
didn't, the couple didn't have another baby for five
years. And then they had four babies every two, you know, a
baby every two years, I think is pretty much. And so they
were married for 18 years. But the husband found out, the
dad found out that there were problems. She wasn't being
faithful. She wasn't being reliable. I believe that
there were some drug issues involved. And he decided to
divorce her. And at that moment, her sister stepped in.
And she was a former case worker. And they together took
the children, try to convince the older girl of the four
that were remaining, you know, how much more fun life was
away from the dad. The dad did homeschooling with the
children. And he did a lot of, he did some online
religious services with the church that was well
established. And the children, you know, were
very devout. And they were pretty cooperative. They
were very lively. And I think that the dad, and I know the
mother participated in the younger years, but they
were together for 18 years. So this wasn't just a, you
know, like a couple year marriage or, you know, it
wasn't, it's all the same dad, all the same mom. But
the mom got in some trouble. And at that time, both
the sister and the mom were teaming up and they
were bringing in that older adopted daughter. And so you
have these three women going to the oldest girl and
working her over, taking her out and doing stuff with
her. And I don't know how it happened, but it became,
there came a point where the girl was so
uncooperative. I think she was being coached to be
wild and to give trouble and cause stir up trouble in
the rest of the home. And the dad agreed that she
could go live with her mother, not knowing what he
later found out. So while they were separated, the
younger children went to visit the mother and they
were brought back at that early point in it. But it
got to a point where the oldest boy was real
uncomfortable in the mother's home and didn't
want to see her come to find out the mother
was living with a registered sex offender. And
so was the aunt. To my knowledge, that is what I have
been told. I have the only evidence I have for sure
is that both the mother and her boyfriend
live streamed the sexual assault and violation
of the eight year old youngest boy. They
live streamed it. There's absolute proof. There's
nothing arbitrary about what I am telling you
about that part. But if you think about it and
according to the claims, there was another sex
offender involved. And so the former case worker,
the mom living with the known sex offender who
offended against the children. And I'll tell you
where that man is right now in a little bit.
But I, my mind went to conspiracy. My mind went
to conspiracy to get some money. So porn hub,
what happened is I was watching a video today
between Patrick Ben David and Layla
Mickleweight. She is the founder of an organization
that has been fighting to stop human trafficking. It
has 2.3 million people who signed up petition. That
takes a lot. And she is determined to shut down
porn hub. But what what I realized is that what
happened in the case, and I'm going to tell you
how the boy ended up. Okay, I'm going to tell
you how the boys, the children, ended up
with the sex offender. And this is going to give you
cause for change in legislation, awareness and
all that. But I started thinking if
porn hub was the site and they got paid and they
worked together. So both the mother, the oldest sister, and the boyfriend
are all charged. They're all sex offenders are all on the
registry. What about the aunt and the other sex
offender? And what's going to happen to these
children? It's now been two and a half years on
December 30th. They'll be two and a half years
since they were removed from the father. The father's home.
As I was saying that they were these these three women,
mom, sis and auntie, were working the oldest girl, got her out of the house
and starting to work on the next girl. She was the boy
was older than the boy than the third girl and then
the second boy. So it's five kids total.
So I want to make sure that there is a connection here
between the influence that was happened with these people
being on the porn site and where are the children going to end up?
And is there a connection in the processes that have happened
with child protective services in the court
that have created a situation where since the day they were removed
every effort by the dad and his therapists,
two court-appointed therapists to have visitation
has been thwarted by the department and the blame
placed on the dad. It's very common that the first months,
which are the most important in these child welfare cases,
that they are thwarted by all kinds of behaviors.
Number one being, caseworker keeps changing.
Well actually number one is being given an attorney
called office of very respondent parent counsel, ORPC
or RPC lawyer for short, respondent parent counsel.
The parents are the respondent when the state starts a CPS case.
So we have what I would call at the very least
an oily lawyer. He's slimy. He says all the right things to the dad.
Do not sign the DNN. You're going to see your kids soon.
He'll tell them all this stuff. Meanwhile,
fails to ever inform him of any of the hearings that he's
supposed to be attending until six months later when he's already
missed four and then advises him not to come
because the mother and her boyfriend will be there
now that they've been caught and we don't want the dad to do anything stupid
to this man who raped his son. So we've got the ORPC attorney.
We've got the former caseworker living with the pedophile
and then we get the Department of Human Services. They change out
caseworkers for two three months. There's like three or four different ones.
No one will tell him how to see his children
what they're doing. They haven't even come up with a treatment plan. There's
nothing in place because they don't have a stable caseworker
and his attorneys blame you know he's the voice for the father
and he's the father is calling writing begging to see his children.
In fact, I think at one point he may have made a text message
contact or through a third party and that third party was immediately
threatened by the aunt to have turned over to the police.
So they have wrapped this shell around the children. The dad
gets a knock on the door on the end of June in 2022 and the police are there.
This is after several incidents where neighbors saw the aunt trying to sneak
the boys out of the window in the backyard over to where the car was
parked over there and I mean this was ongoing
and CPS was not involved until they came and took the children
and they accused the father saying that the older girl the one who had
gone to live with dad's permission with the mother
accused him of having been sexually assaulting her.
She was already living with the mother for a year when that happened so all of
a sudden once dad files for the divorce
they they can't get the boys any other way they can't get them and talk
them into staying or whatever. So from that day
they took the dad to jail for 14 days. He did a shelter hearing from the jail
with his RPC lawyer present. Dad by the way doesn't even know
what RPC lawyer is for. He's got this criminal charges
against him. No criminal charges against him.
He's got these allegations being investigated against him.
No criminal charges whatsoever. Zero. At seven days he participates in the
shelter hearing and that's like we're replacing the children.
We're giving them to the mother. Now this is the point
when the children well I mean the CPS has gone through so many allegations
they know they even passed a law last year
saying that if there's a divorce that question must be asked at the time
that the call is made. I think if there's a divorce they
know they got more room to play. Right because now you got the other judge
and the CPS judge is more powerful than the family court judge.
Why is that? Because it's the state. Oh well you know what doesn't what
doesn't get to me you know what really gets to me is that
when you go into a CPS case the state is against you but then they give you
a state attorney. How is that supposed to benefit the family?
How is it supposed to benefit the family? Why they're called a public
pretender. Yeah it is a public pretender is what
is it's a public defender. Everybody out there should know that
if you take a public defender you can hire a private
attorney you can pay through the nose and they're not all
trustworthy some of them are some of them are not.
They give the appearance of trying to help you they're nice
to you. They hold your hand and they stab you in the back.
So that's the part. So I was talking about you know the
formula. The formula for how to keep a parent away from the
children and blame it on the parent. Right we saw that in court we saw
that over and over how this father I sat there
listened to the father and he had he loves his children.
There is no doubt about that but everybody kept saying to him
you have to have a mental evaluation right?
Mental. Wasn't he wasn't wasn't he in court I mean having
be seen as a psychiatrist for like two years
and even two of them and they kept saying
you missed your evaluation and he's like and they they even came on and said
he doesn't need to be evaluated he's been coming here for two years
and they still are reluctant to give the kids back to him.
Well they have the caseworker the caseworker testified well
when they so they they appointed two court appointed therapists oh they get
money for this right yeah funding for this you got to understand
when you start talking about how many people are involved over a course of
time it we're talking 50 people involved
even if it's only one kid but they've got the three
children now so uh the the caseworker said well
we took the referral and after we we didn't want the one guy to do it
because we don't like the relationship between the dad and this
therapist. We have questions about the
relationship between the dad and this therapist like really you're the ones
that appointed him so so you know you don't like the
fact that this guy isn't going after the jugular
he's he's supporting the dad helping him through the depression anxiety
so the dad was pretty depressed and anxious so from June 30th
he got out around July 14th from July 14th he missed a hearing on
August 11th which he didn't know about and his
lawyer never told him and then he missed another one on September 6th
and he didn't know about that one but that one at that point
they had discovered the crimes and the dad does not even know if it's just
the youngest boy that was sexually assaulted but he was not only sexually
assaulted he was forced to stand on pins barefoot
he had broken arms broken legs he had broken rib
he had the time that they found him he was had um crystal meth in his
system eight years old um and he had um bruising on his
abdomen on his face on his neck um he he may have been burned i i don't
remember all of the injuries but we he also had gone from 41
pounds he's a very small boy at eight years old
to 31 pounds in four months living with his mother
so the unknowns are so frightening
that did you hear anything mentioned about um
the other children being sexually assaulted did you when we were there
louis and did you hear no i didn't i didn't hear injuries
i didn't i didn't hear too much of that i was just so
shocked on how this father just wants to even see his kids i mean they said
the oldest daughter doesn't want to see you or i don't know if it's an
oldest daughter or older son but they said the oldest one doesn't want
to see you and he says well how about the other two
why can't they see them you know and it's kind of like they're just
doing everything they can to make this father look bad and i'll
i just really want to sit out and back the audience and say don't you
can't you guys just open your eyes did you see father's just suffering
did you hear of any crimes or accusations of abuse
by the father zero absolutely zero if i had a dad
now trust me my dad wasn't always a good man
this man is one of the best fathers in my opinion
i've ever seen because i went into his house personally
he had all these toys he had all the rooms perfect
and he goes look at all the games i have them look at all the toys look at
all the paperwork oh my god i could not believe rich
environment it's a very rich environment very nice
environment and here they are make it a baby excuse they
can not to return the kids to this man so we are going back to court
next tuesday aren't we debbie on tuesday yes on tuesday
yep at eight o'clock in the morning we're going to be in there um and
you know we we beg for court watchers and and i have some people in
that city that showed up that i wasn't even expecting
so that what we have is we have the judge
nodding her head when she liked things um she didn't nod her head too much when
the dad was testifying when the caseworker was testifying she nodded
her head all the time but the lawyer um his lawyer dad's
lawyer asked if he wanted if he wanted to take his children home today
and the dad absolutely i am ready everything is ready i've been waiting
and praying for this moment and the judge is sitting there going like this
no sorry we've got to have another court date next tuesday um she even said
she didn't want to give a continuance and then she ended up
right um and let's talk about why the the um therapist didn't want to
um come back and testify you remember that whole thing
right yeah i remember that very well it's
i'm glad it came back though well do you remember what
what um what the attorney was trying to say without coming flat out and saying
it well the story that i have heard is that um
the entire counseling office which has a contract with the department of human
services to do these therapies was threatened
that if they testified again even though um the the therapist was under
subpoena um issued by the by um the dad's lawyer
that they would not do business with that company anymore they would cut them
off because they only want therapists to say the things they want the
therapist to say right they don't ever want therapists to side with the
parent i obviously i mean i was just so
impolled about that whole that whole thing that we went down there it's
i'm glad the therapist came on there because he says
he's been in therapy for two years he doesn't really need it anymore i he's
he's well they disqualified that therapist from being able to do the
mental health exam right exactly and so the other one there's
second one also didn't want to do it didn't think it needed to be done
instead on the record in the court hearing that i attended in october
he didn't need it he doesn't need a mental health evaluation
there are no signs that he's suicidal or homicidal
or um abusive to the children there's no evidence that the children are
afraid of him nothing so you heard what they said
what did they say they needed okay what did they say they needed for the dad
to have visitation do you remember there were three
things they needed one was the mental health exam
exactly right the second one was the letter
do you remember the letter um i don't remember a letter but go ahead
go ahead okay so they um the department of human services is
famous for doing this um they make people admit
and oh yes i remember now i i know i know exactly what you're talking about
and they want people they want people to admit that they've
done something wrong and tell the children and in a
clarification letter that i have i've responsibility for
how you ended up here yeah it's not like i'm sorry that i
that i spanked you when you purposely hit your mother in the face
no it's uh you are in this custody of the state because
i failed you as a parent i failed you as a parent when i didn't protect you or
provide you with home or food or shelter or um you know
proper discipline he couldn't say any of that
um in retrospect i'm wondering if maybe he wishes he had just
signed a damn letter right and what was the third thing that they that they
wanted all three of the children's
their psychiatrist had to okay that they were ready to see their dad
uh and so do you remember that a year later
year in september later september 29th um the case workers said something that
the youngest boy hadn't spoken for 15 months 15 months do you realize what
that means what do you think robin why do you think a child would
stop talking after he was raped let on put on
livestream and denied seeing his father
it's too traumatic he's withdrawing it it's it's a situation where
a child is the defense mechanism is to make oneself insensible uh it's it's
invisible to move into us almost a state of catatonia
and a state of um invisibility yeah it's it's it's an attempt to make
oneself invisible and unnoticeable and i think
unaware of them i think it's also the absolute helplessness because i'll
betcha he was begging for his dad i'll bet you he was crying for his
father the whole time and that just enraged them
that just enraged them right and you know get i'll remember that these kids have
not seen their dad for three years could you imagine
that they had known nothing except a loving home
where there was harmony or there were um efforts to make harmony
there were efforts to get along there were efforts to let that there was
laughter there was music um they played the piano they
ice skated all of them all all all of the children in the dad i don't know
if the mother ever played the piano or went ice skating with them bike riding
they did mountain climbing they did all kinds and i wish that
dad had had the opportunity to say you know i mean he did talk about the
things they did but you know the the attorney wants
him to just not stray because you know sometimes these
people are so traumatized they they bring in
they get off track you don't hear the question correctly
they're they're thinking in a certain way they're not responding
i think that happened at the beginning a little bit but i think that the dad
really caught on and was answering the questions i don't think he
went down a rabbit hole i don't think that he was
difficult to follow he made sure he got to the end of the question
if he didn't get there right away right and so
that those things the the judge already having a preformed opinion that no
you're not seeing your kids right away right we had our intentions of that at
all so i do i do believe that we've got court
again on tuesday yeah so we're going to come back again
right as soon as that case is over with or whatever was going to happen
we're going to come back and report what we saw in court again
because you really have to be there and i think there's a stream
um a live stream right we robin you were watching that weren't you
i was i was i'm down i'm just figuring out here
um so in the six months from uh the end of june to the first of the year
um they made 384 thousand dollars for those four children
wow so let me double check my math okay i go with 16 thousand a month
counting all of the counting the education federal grant
federal money um all the foster care title 4e um the disability money adds
more to it um and they have all of the human
trafficking and all of the other funding streams the tanaf
that they would have been getting um the foster the mother would be getting
tanaf she might have been getting some um kinship money i don't know how much but
i got 16 000 times four equals 48 000 in a month
16 times six months is 384 and so i'm going to double that because i think the
oldest daughter fell off so that would be
eight six seven hundred sixty eight thousand for the first year
for four children oh yeah yeah wow and then when the oldest daughter
dropped off but then she would be made up by the
other six months so you can double the seven six seven hundred
sixty eight thousand because it's now been 18 months
nuts well let me let me just do it let me just do it um
so if we drop it to let me see here that's when my my phone doesn't like me talking
about uh the truth i swear they're listening and i don't care i have a message for them
i'm very much in the same boat and i can tell when they're interfering all the
time and it's just like uh yeah and you can tell we we haven't mentioned any
names we're not talking about any names we're just letting you know some of the
cases that are going on up here and it's to me in my
opinion it's quite disturbing i mean to know that you have a
father that has these kids he wants to be with his kids
you know the kids definitely want their dad they don't want to be in a
stranger's home and from what i heard the kids were all separated i think
there's two kids together the other one separated
so who knows the youngest one um nobody nobody that he can talk to um so i'm
adding 1.152 million to the figure comes out to
wow about 1.8 million dollars
hmm wow on this case alone of course that would not include any
monies that were made from any videos or live streams
that the children were involved in that were money makers for the people that
are well that brings me to that brings that
reminds me so so where are the mother and the
boyfriend the mother was found guilty um
she was found guilty of sexual exploitation of a child by a person in a
position of trust sexual assault and so she was
sentenced i don't know what her original sentence was but she was in jail for a
year and they let her out on probation and with one
within one month she violated all the terms of the probation
she went back to the boyfriend she picked up on the drugs and alcohol
the alcohol for sure i'm not sure about the drugs and she offended
so she would drag back in court i attended that hearing
um in the criminal court so this is now in criminal court
um which you're looking at the dad has no criminal record
none zero absolutely zero you met him once right
utterly convinced that he is about the nicest person
he's probably the nicest person and the nicest father
and he's just so he just wants his kids that's all he wants he's like
begging them all you know and they said your dad doesn't
doesn't you know want to see your daughter doesn't your child doesn't want
to even see you and he goes well bring him here let them tell me that
yeah you know exactly and and i was like yeah
why didn't you do that you know oh my god i mean once they once the child i mean
the children may not run into his arms they might not know what to do they've
been lied to they've been told he doesn't care about them that they
doesn't love them that he has abandoned them that can tell them
anything those kids they told the court he abandoned them
that guardian ad litem told the court that he abandoned his children
and that's what the judge believes in the caseworker said she doesn't believe
that the father didn't it didn't have problems with that girl older girl
i just don't believe it it doesn't i i don't i don't believe it
we're acting as if he did made a crime even though it was unsubstantiated and
the police investigated and found no reason to bring charges
okay all the neighbors if they had asked the neighbors all the neighbors
knew what a wonderful dad he was everybody all the friends the
people at the church that he went to the one online everybody
all of the teachers that came in they they children didn't do all homeschooling
when it was the right thing to do he sent them to the public school
and you know that um the child protective services
they didn't even visit the apartment over there from what i heard
oh they did eventually they did eventually they took them a whole year
two different ones went there one said it was the most beautiful house they've
ever seen and the other one said oh there's some
safety concerns here like i don't know what they are
but the dad kept saying that he treats his disciplines his children in a loving way
did you notice anything about the caseworker
the county attorney asking about what what do you mean by loving way
well you know what they were saying that
he is a father that loves too much he's an excessive parent isn't he's an
excessive parent everybody excessive parent she was implying
what kind of love are you talking about
you know wink wink you can't love your children
too much or they he loves him too much inappropriately i was they were talking
about sexually loving his children that's what they were getting at
i can read them i know what they're doing i know all of what they're doing
so what are you we're coming back we're coming back we're gonna let
everybody know what happened to this case because
i'm i'm definitely going to be down there tuesday morning and we have to
clean off our schedule but i hope that we have a lot of people
on the zoom call i'm going to make sure we pass this around
to all the probate families to all the family court families we want a big
webex down there so that's why we're going to ask you everybody
when we send this out please go on to the zoom
and listen in because we want this family this
man to have back his children and i'm not going to give the exact
citation of how to get on the webex because i don't want to identify the
case right right i don't want this is a standalone
situation and i don't want to to um i'm trying to think if there's
anything else i want you to think about closing thought
if this man does not get his children back on tuesday
and i don't want a six month reunionification
you got you got you got they come home they get to spend the holiday with dad
they come home on new years or shortly thereafter
i hope it gets them back for christmas that would be a wonderful gift on it
yeah i mean i i would be i would be thrilled myself i mean i we're going
to walk out with bills on our feet on on tuesday but
we're going to plan on being there we're going to come back let everybody
know what's going on with this case you think about you think about who
wins if that dad doesn't get his who are the
winners state the porn industry they have damaged
these children they and they take no responsibility the
department takes no it was the mother's fault and so back to the question
how can they place children with the other parent
on an allegation alone and you know all about these allegations and how easily
they go without investigating that mother's home and who's living there
they investigate the the dad like they would know if he hadn't
aunt under the carpet right so robin before we go tonight what do you think
about all this i gotta grab my i think that
trafficking is alive and well in america and that it is done
right under our noses right through our courts
children are being trafficked from their parents
and given to child predators all over america this is one case
but this is not an isolated case this is actually
far more common than anyone is led to believe
because again it is one of those stories that you're not going to hear on the
major media they're they don't talk about these
things and i think it's i think what we have
is pedophiles in high places that control much of the media that you see
that control you know so so when there are cases
like this it is all everything is controlled
the judge controls the information flow to the best of their ability
the uh oftentimes parents are told
that if you mention if you say anything about your case
you'll be in trouble you'll get us contempt of court
you know so so people are not permitted
to speak the truth of what's going on with their family and with these courts
oftentimes sometimes years later we hear the stories
because the children grow up and they are courageous enough to speak out
and that's when we hear that's when we know
that these things happen but i have one other i you you made me think of one
other thing um we reported to the ombudsman's
office and we we got to the ombudsman's
office she told the dad that he could get all the trail records for free
um he's tried to get them they won't give him i mean it's it's a it's a rigmar
role to go get the trails records those are every single action taken
by by the cps but what she said is that she she was going to try and get this
case to this case in three weeks but she had two
there were four people doing this job in the office of the ombudsman
and they each had 200 cases and they had to take them in order
so if she thinks she can get through 200 in three weeks
how many does she have in a year yeah exactly so
it seems like yeah three divided by 50 so that would be um let's see
mm-hmm i'm trying to i mean so three that's like
six six thousand or something wow yeah 70 a week times
50 weeks would be 3,500 wow each each each person
so multiply that times four that's 14,000 cases
that they're doing ombudsman checks on people don't even know enough to go to
the ombudsman i think it's just the ombudsman for cps too
it's not adult protective services i don't know i think
there is they will probably do the both but i don't know
that's an awful lot of cases for only four people to handle right
one person handling 60 trying to do justice for these children
obviously they're way way way overworked look at the money that they're spending
on the kids for to run this court cases that's
16,000 a month goes to the judge to the the clerk of the court
goes to the recorders it goes to the court administrator
goes to every attorney every case worker that attorney for the father
the guardian said light them all three of them all three of the psychologists for
the children okay you get in the picture here
uh-huh i think i've said enough i just want to um ask everybody to pray for
so stevelyn what do you think what do you think about all this
i think it's the travesty that we're having this issue in our country with
the law the court's being corrupt and um
incomplete it in in these actions i think it's really really tragic how it's
gotten so bad well it's even more tragic is how many people are unwilling to
want to look at it or even pay attention to it because they don't want to know
about their brother brother has in the sand but if we do that
then how are we ever going to expect any kind of change we need to start
speaking out and we need to start paying attention whether we like it or not
we can't ignore the reality of what's happening here and we need to speak
out against it and be proactive against it because if we don't then we're
then we're gonna just we're just giving our consent to allow it wow well i
want would i i just want to finish up i i won't say more after this i promise
i would like to get that um video of patrick ben david and leila
michel weight um posted on our website to go along with this
with this hearing with this session that we're having right now
and i would like to hashtag them because i want them to see i want them to know
the level of what's happening like they should know
not only how bad it is they they did say on that podcast that anybody can open a
porn site uh porn uh the porn hub and view porn including children
there's no id and no age requirement on porn hub
other places there are but on porn hub there aren't
and they want to get that there's a very minimum they want to do um i think
i think our entire government sold us out in 1988
and um the case it sure looks like it doesn't it
yep wow i have the case right here that's so you know i want to address what
steven said because it's it's not it it doesn't just behoove us as citizen
journalists who to tell people these stories but i want to thank those of you
that actually watched and and listened tonight
and i want to thank you for your attention to this
because it's it it's so necessary for people to get it for people to know
what's going on and we do we get busy with our lives and these are
unpleasant truths and unpleasant realities
that it's it's easier if i don't know it and so
the fact that you want to know enough till you're paying attention listening
i thank you for that i'm grateful for that and and please
do your utmost to try to encourage others to to join in
to to at least listening to these stories and learning the truth
because without knowing the truth then we are complicit in our ignorance
with these with the abuse of these children if we
refuse to look at it because it's unpleasant if we refuse to
to listen to the story because it makes me unhappy
you know it takes a little of my time whatever it might be
then that is a hardened heart that you can soften just by listening just by
hearing just by having enough compassion and concern
for the children that are being abused in the world today
to actually pay attention and learn about it and listen to the stories
and and share that to the best of your ability
with with others around you so that we can get the word out so that we can
put a stop to it because we can't let this go on
this is think if it were your child think if it was you
as a child because those children are people like you and i and
it's going to impact them for the rest of their lives
and we could stop it perhaps if we all strive in that direction we are going
to stop right the lawyer the lawyer said he
he thinks that there's going to be big changes coming
yeah i do think so too he's got a great lawyer that is one thing
you know we're not going to talk about the lawyer who he is right now but
we want to say this man he's got a good lawyer he's got a good crew behind him
we are there to bring the news on what's going on
and like i say when the media lets you down
citizen journalists must step up to fill the gap
that is our role we are media now dot world
thank you everybody debbie we're going to be bringing back
so um this story probably again next week um hopefully it's a joyful story for the
holiday yeah until then everybody you know happy holidays
we just want to keep everybody in our prayers
that are going through a difficult time right now maybe not seeing their
children maybe not seeing their mother their dad
people that are stuck into a guardianship or conservatorship
that are being isolated from their families we come to you with all the
stories now of the probate trap the family traps
divorce court everything we're going to talk about everything on this show
we used to be hidden truth revealed on block talk radio
that has closed down and we have come together
with news for us dot world debbie carol next week we should be bringing in
marcie um freeman is coming back with the probate trap
hopefully we'll get hillary hog back on with this as well
as we tell some more stories we've got a lot going on
with the the courts that we have today again
one of the things that you can do it's very simple like share
and comment and that will allow us to reach a broader audience because you
have an audience that will be aware of what you're doing
that will help bring in those eyes and ears to what's going on here and that's
one thing that you can do and another thing i would
love for it if you would consider is a gift to consideration
non-profit dot org who supports this work in support of these children
so i would hope that you would consider that
it would be a lovely thing to do for a lot of children
this christmas and it would be a real help
to people that are in the situation where we can do them a world of good
so i'd like a lot of difference that's right and we should be
right we'll be coming back again like i said next week
this week a little bit coming up and next week we're going to probably take a
couple days off because of of christmas but we're coming back
on new years and we're going to be bringing back
five or six families from each state we're going to try to do this and talk
about the probate corrupt system and we're also going to be bringing
shows with debbie kill quite a bit with the the family and the cps and
families about the aps you name it we're going to be here
every single week probably two or three times a week
depends on when we get together and steven has time
to keep showing us this stream labbing which has been
a learning curve you know i've enjoyed every moment with you steven thank you
yeah yeah no problem i'm i'm happy to help you've been pulling off
thank you steven four hundred shows from block talk to put on to a new platform
yep i couldn't even download one okay
i tried okay what can i say it's a gift
steven philips news for us world dot world
thank you for sharing the mastermind behind all these radio shows
and debbie kill thank you robin awesome thank you will be again probably tuesday
night maybe wednesday night i'm not sure until then
we are media now dot world thank you for joining us tonight thank you louis
good night thank you thank you good night