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Welcome back to Armed Forces Press Pods.
We're here with Matthew Nugent, who has been involved in the fight against, I guess,
tyranny in our Armed Forces for some time, and is with the McCarthy Society at West Point.
My son's a graduate, so a special place in my heart for that.
Welcome to the show, Matt. Appreciate you coming on.
Hey, Todd. It's great pleasure to be here and an honor to love all that you do.
Thank you very much. So let's talk first about the academies.
Give us an overview of how you got started, where you are, and what's coming.
Okay, so there's a lot to that. And I do have some time we can make it short.
We can make it long, and there's still so much to cover.
So at the academies, we've got something that we'd like to describe is a spectrum of warfare,
or spectrum of war, excuse me.
We, as Americans, and a lot of the Department of Defense, actually, the DOD,
when they think of warfare, they think of kinetic warfare.
In fact, I have it on good intelligence on the inside that says basically 95% of everything
the Department of Defense does is kinetic warfare.
Okay, so I want to start off, but to truly understand the big picture.
I mean, you're a military guy. I'm a military guy, you know, your Air Force Academy, all that stuff.
But most Americans don't understand what's going on through a military lens.
For those who are military, it doesn't make a lot of sense to you.
For those who are part of Todd's work, you probably understand this for a lot of those who don't.
Two things for you to know, number one, is you look at this through a military lens.
Okay, understand that people don't like us.
They hate our Republican form of government.
They hate the fact that we have rights of free speech, the right of ownership,
the right to bear arms. They don't like our Judeo-Christian heritage.
They don't like it. They want to kill us. Okay.
So you have to look at the reality lens.
Now, second is, and I mentioned it already, is a spectrum of war.
There's kinetic warfare, which, you know, your bullets, bombs, rippling flash,
destroying, you know, buildings, what have you.
And then there's non-kinetic warfare where you basically, you know, wage war to do harm,
often in an overt, you know, way that doesn't immediately destroy.
Now, to understand an unrestricted warfare vein like China's been doing to us for 10 years.
You got it. And here's this interesting that your audience wants to know.
I think they'll appreciate that the MacArthur Society were very fortunate
that our members and our leadership are warfighters.
In fact, the book that you mentioned, Unrestricted Warfare,
was written by two colonels at the time in the People's Liberation Army,
the CCP, Chinese Communist Party.
Well, one of our members, Board of Advisor members,
he's Major General Retired Rusty Casey.
Okay. When we approached him with all that was going on at the service academies,
not just West Point, but inapolis, Air Force Academy, what have you, in our military.
And I said, they seem to be attacking us, but it's not really an attack.
And he said, oh, it's spectrum of war because there's kinetic and non-connect.
And he actually, Todd, you may not know this, but, you know, many years ago,
when he was being groomed to be a general and part of his, you know, his grooming, he calls it,
is he actually went to a forum in China.
It was basically, you know, a room where there are big, you know, comfortable chairs
where there were high ranking generals.
He was one of them, you know, a time, a big, a big general and officers from the PLA, People's Liberation Army,
and two officers in particular.
Now, he can't remember if they're the authors of the book, Unrestricted Warfare,
but they very could have been because he said they were very arrogant.
And they said, we know how we're going to beat you.
And you won't even know.
Yeah.
Okay. Now, what they said was right.
Here's what's interesting.
This was in the late 90s.
Yeah.
And they were right.
So it's just about when everything started to really turn, we weren't aware of it,
but that's when it started happening.
Yeah, in fact, immigration, the fence and all of it.
Yeah.
In fact, we can go back and there are certain places where it speeds up.
And that's definitely one of them.
And to really drive home how powerful non-kinetic warfare can be.
And I'll tell you a little story.
It's true story.
Before I went to West Point, I was enlisted.
I was in military intelligence and my job at two parts.
One was electronic warfare, learning how to break into our adversaries radio frequencies.
And the other was to be a translator and trained in multiple languages.
It's kind of one of the things, you know, you can fly just about anything.
You know, well, that's kind of one thing that I did.
Right.
When we were just privates and everything and they said, Hey, there's this one specialist.
Okay.
In Germany, they were doing a warfighter exercise and he was a military intelligence guy.
Okay.
Doing kind of the same job.
And he infiltrated the unit by getting it about the lowest level possible to a platoon.
He broke into the frequency and he listened to what they were doing.
He learned the challenge and password, you know, for the day.
And what he did was he gave correct information.
He said, Hey, we're going to move to Chow and they asked him, they challenged him.
He gave the right password and they said, okay, it was correct information.
So they went there.
Yeah.
We heard on the frequency.
Hey, so-and-so report here.
We did.
Great.
Well, he worked his way up over the course of the exercise.
Granted, he was on one side and he fought against the up for the opposing forces over the course of the exercise.
God, he consolidated the battalion in a relatively small area.
Okay.
By infiltrating and subverting their communications.
Okay.
And he brought it to his platoon leaders and sir, I think I consolidated the whole battalion.
And the officer looked at his work and said, you sure did.
We're calling it an artillery strike and they did.
And so this E four.
Okay.
Almost single-handedly, obviously with the help of, you know, good officer in the artillery,
almost single-handedly got credit for destroying an entire infantry battalion, which is about five or 600 soldiers with all the support elements.
So that is basically one person.
Now imagine at a larger scale in America, we have a lot of adversaries with more resources and more time.
Okay.
So non-kinetic warfare is real.
Now what I want to drive home with you guys in addition to this concept of, you know, the spectrum of war is that wokeness is warfare.
Of course.
Yeah, let me explain.
It's information operation and it's Maoism.
But I mean, it's there you go and spectrum of warfare.
Yes.
Yeah.
And Todd, a lot of people, I've made this a part of my life.
My original mission in 2020 was to go in business, own a lot of, you know, franchises.
But when the world went crazy, I felt a calling and you're ahead of me, Todd, by a couple of years, I think, and you and I kind of doing the same thing and everything.
But the fact is that we have to do what we have to do.
Now let's take a look at our service academies.
So remember, wokeness is warfare.
So what's going on at West Point?
Okay.
West Point has a diversity and inclusion minor.
And for those of you who don't know, that's cultural Marxism.
Check this out.
For those of you who know what a capstone project is, that's kind of like if you have a major or minor or something, a whole semester or the whole year, you work on it, you present, you know, your topic, your project with the approval of the professor.
Okay.
Here are a couple of insane capstone projects at West Point.
MacArthurSociety.org actually has pictures from West Point and their schedule.
It'll blow your mind.
One of the main project was, okay, I got to read this, the evolution of cross-dressing in the military and gender norms.
Yeah.
Here's another one.
So that's got to be approved by the faculty.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And another one that in the diversity and inclusion minor is deconstructing patriotism.
Yeah.
Now, if you know anything about Marxism and cultural Marxism, you know that word deconstruction is very nuanced, meaning we're going to study it so we can take it apart.
And there's more, but just keep it at this level.
Destroying the four Olds that Mao had, you know, history, tradition and all of it.
And it really, I mean, it's evil and brilliant.
They're very smart.
And they're patient.
And that's why if you check out that book Unrestricted Warfare, they know us better than we do.
Okay.
So, and as far as the Naval Academy, they have their own diversity and inclusion minor as well.
Now, from our back channel and our contacts, Todd, two different occasions where two midshipmen reached out to kind of our connections and said that in some of these classes,
when they report, because, you know, when you're there, you know, sir, ma'am, you know, midshipmen or cadet reports, you know, all present.
Well, in those classes, they were required to give their preferred pronoun.
Are you kidding me?
Much to the credit of the midshipmen.
Now I'm an Army Navy knows big rapper, but you got to be credit or credit is due.
They said, sir, ma'am, I'm not comfortable with this.
Yeah.
Good.
That's great right now.
The Air Force, we had white boy one and white boy two.
Which is a great segue into, I believe the Air Force has been receiving the most severe attacks.
This is heartbreaking, but there's hope.
I'm going to give you some hope too.
Okay.
But but in the Air Force now, you know this, but in this context, it makes it really easy to understand these are just a couple of examples.
Okay.
So the current superintendent is now basically making attack on the honor code.
Okay.
So for those of you who are listening, you have to understand the crown jewel of our service academies is the honor code.
Okay.
It without without the honor code or some form of a serious honor code, our service academies are no more than glorified universities that are very expensive and they have fancy uniforms.
Okay.
You still in uniforms, essentially.
I'm going to steal that from you.
First two time I give you credit.
Third time I have.
So now what I'm for those of you don't know that the honor code it kind of has two parts.
It's thou shalt not do and thou shalt not tolerate a cadet will not lie cheater steel or tolerate those who do.
Okay.
Because because honor and character is not a one person thing only.
It's a culture.
Yeah.
And if you have a hole in the boat, you know, barring a Navy term is it's going to sink.
Yeah.
So it has to be a culture.
Well, the superintendent recently made the decision not to enforce the toleration clause of the honor code of the Air Force Academy for two years.
He wanted to call it aspirational.
I think this was that was an issue that the superintendent brought to bear.
They're making the honor code aspirational and that's another big issue in conversation that we ought to have hopefully some other time.
But but so understand the crown jewel of our service academies.
It is being attacked.
You mentioned West Point in this context, the Air Force Academy in tandem.
Okay.
There are diversity officers at every squadron.
Of course, the army, you know, and West Point has companies in the Air Force.
So and every diversity kind of officer.
I know they're cadets to calm officers.
They wear a purple rope that designates them.
Yes.
It's called a soft intimidation.
Meaning comply.
Because it's hard to get the Air Force Academy.
You don't want to get kicked out because the concept of diversity, equity, inclusion, DEI and CRT have been elevated in all service academies to the level of character development.
So when someone goes against the purple, you know, cord or purple rope, you know, is used interchangeably, you're going, you're putting yourself in a position where you could be expelled.
So back to the Air Force.
We did an article via STARS on this, the diversity exam bullets inapolis.
I remember that great article.
So exactly.
So what you've got here at the Air Force Academy is there, the crown jewel, the honor code is being torn down.
Meanwhile, the soft intimidation of cultural Marxism is being inculcated in everything.
Yeah.
So I mean, that's a big deal.
So that goes to show that when you think of warfare, when you think of what's going on around us, you have to think through a military lens and think through a spectrum of war.
Okay.
So you realize that's why woke ism is warfare.
Now that said, what is the greatest single hedge against this?
Okay.
We're doing a lot of work at MacArthur Society doing some great things with societies representing the Air Force Academy, STARS, and the Calvert task group representing Annapolis.
But in my opinion, this single greatest hedge, we touched on a little bit against all the wokeness against subversion.
I mean, we could do many, many interviews just on that concept of subversion.
But the single greatest hedge is soldiers, midshipmen, sailors.
When I say soldiers, I mean, you know,
is every soldier is first a good citizen.
So what is a good citizen?
They love their country.
They love the United States of America.
They understand that we are a constitutional republic, that we have rights that are not given by a country.
They are articulated by the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, but they're God given.
And therefore our Judeo-Christian heritage is important.
That said, that's why, you know, this is me, you know, giving credit to Annapolis Naval Academy saying,
Sir, ma'am, I'm not comfortable with saying what my preferred pronouns are.
Now, that said, in my opinion, it takes two things, not just courage.
Our military is filled with many men and women of courage, but it also takes something else, critical thinking.
And probably one of the biggest things that scares people is what other people think their peers.
We at the MacArthur Society have followed the principles of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution,
and we've received criticism from some of our classmates and peers.
Now, some of them have said, you know, when we show them these facts that you and I have discussing today in previous conversations,
it's kind of like the stages of grief.
You know, first thing is denial.
Sure.
In fact, I remember when you helped us break that story of removal of duty on our country.
Right.
It was published on a Saturday.
It went viral 24 hours by Sunday amongst the military community.
Okay.
And service Academy alumni and the three buckets of answers that we got through your website.
And we were tracking that.
Mind you.
Yeah.
Number one was, oh, DEI is great.
You know, I'm a person who sent that to me.
I can't tell you who, but it's a spouse of a very high ranking person.
The other bucket was anger and frustration.
That's a lie.
That's not going to happen.
Right.
Like fake news.
Fake news.
You know, it's a lie.
DEI is great and anger.
The biggest bucket that sparked it all is when our present MacArthur Society said,
sorry, not fake news.
And he posted a picture of the new mission statement to be clear.
And he wrote it up with the mission statement that says duty on a country had been removed.
And then by the next Monday, it had been gone viral.
It had gone viral nationally and by the end of the week, all the major networks.
So, so that said, courage and critical thinking sometimes is going to mean going
against the grain.
And it is not easy.
And I disappointed in a lot of grads to be honest, Matthew.
I mean, you know, that's been one of my, and our big things is people just
haven't had the courage to stand up and that's been disappointing.
But there have been enough, I think, to get us where we are today.
100% agree with you.
We're with you there.
It's, it's a lot of people don't know is they are helping the enemy because
they don't understand it.
It's warfare.
Yeah.
And, you know, by getting caught into this narrative and listen, I was there.
Okay.
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And so those are.
So now what is the MacArthur society doing?
I mean, obviously you guys know that, you know,
we work with Todd to break the story,
the removal of duty on our country.
Well, a big project we're working on.
And it's very exciting.
It's called the duty on our country commission.
It's a proposal.
So it hasn't become reality yet.
But it's based on actually a,
the cheating scandal of 1976 at West Point where 153 cadets,
153 were caught cheating or were expelled.
And for cheating on a electrical engineering exam,
it was such a shock to the American psyche because the best
and brightest men and women of honor at the time it was,
you know, just, just men, but,
and they're expected to be honest.
Well, the secretary of the army at the time said, you know,
time out here, we need to do something.
And he erected a commission led by Frank Borman,
who's West Point grad Air Force pilots and NASA astronaut.
Because he's like the all-American man, right?
So he led this.
And it was a commission to study guided by a few questions.
For example, what caused cadets or this culture to,
you know, lie?
And one of the changes they made was to,
to scramble the companies, meaning up to that time,
you were in the same company for four years with your peers
and you became more loyal to them than you did to the honor code.
Okay.
So, and that's why we said,
and there's a gentleman we'll work with.
He's just a gift to the MacArthur society.
In my opinion, he's listening to this is going to be embarrassed,
but a gift to the United States of America.
But what we do is we take that same concept of putting together
what's called a blue ribbon commission where we bring in
research experts guided by these, what we have is 11 questions.
They had seven.
We have 11 things like, you know, how has DEI impacted us?
And we can go into that later.
But, and we basically got subject matter experts,
SMEs, we've got a recommendation as a council of generals
and colonels and an executive council of a chairman of,
you know, really, how can I say people of great esteem in our
country?
Cause this is a big deal,
but it's a greater scope and scale than the Borman commission
because Borman commission was one service academy and one issue
of honor, but here we've got race based admissions.
We've got honor scandals.
There was one a few years ago.
We've got cadets using drugs.
I hate to say it.
So athletic departments.
I understand.
There you go.
So, and it's multiples.
We're focusing on the three service academies for those of you
don't know.
They're actually five Coast Guard Academy United States
Merchant Marine Academy.
They do shipping and, but these three are in the DoD.
The other in transportation department of Homeland
Security.
So it just, so we are working on that and we've made
great progress.
I personally have met with members of Congress,
Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Tom Cotton, great men.
Congressman Keith self West Point grad class of 75 Congress
and Wesley Hunt.
That was awesome.
He's class of 2004.
And in many other greats, you know, I hate to not
include folks, but, but we are making rounds.
Okay.
And there's some other things going on.
I can't talk about, but it's very promising.
And listen, listen, Todd, I, the duty on our country
commission, in my opinion, I have no problem saying this.
I have no problem with this being published is the best
thing that has happened to the service academies in the
couple of generations, in my opinion, obviously it takes a
POTUS president United States to enact it.
So that's obviously very important.
But in terms of a specific policy recommendation, this
can really turn things around.
Wow.
Thank you, Matthew.
So what else is happening over there at the MacArthur
society?
Anything, anything drilling down into more areas or
Well, let's see.
Those are the highlights.
Well, West Point gets a lot of things right.
Okay.
And something that was, was published in, in the
findings of, you know, back in 1977, you know, the
West Virginia stand.
The Borman commission was West Point continues to
attract at the, at the time, men and women of character
who will give everything to serve their country.
That has not changed.
Okay.
We have a highly talented young men and women who are
willing to serve our country.
disappointed when they get there though.
You're right.
And just like you said, give you credit for this
time, you're disappointed with a lot of the
leadership.
Yeah.
I mean, that includes the generals.
Now, I will tell you this, there are some people
who are working behind the scenes, who are not
happy with this, who are of higher rank, who
realize what's going on, who in their own way have
been helping America.
So, you know, as time passes, those things will
come to light and, you know, God willing, they'll
be elevated to positions of leadership.
Let me ask you this.
As the MacArthur society looked at some of the
removal of names and monuments, you know, I
find it, I have been to the trophy point at West
Point many times and I've heard rumors that they're
going to try to remove the reconciliation monument.
They did take Lee off the barracks.
Have you guys thought about that at all?
We have.
How can I say this?
That is a complex discussion.
I'll tell you a little anecdote.
Okay.
This may sound silly, but I think when I get
through it, it'll have a lot of meaning.
Okay.
I've heard this story about these two young men.
This is, you know, cast 3, 400 years ago and they
live in a farming town.
Okay.
Maybe a couple of thousand people living there.
It's eventually going to be a metropolis, but it's
kind of a farming town.
Okay.
So, these two buddies, you know, I don't know
if they've ever done anything like that when
you're a teenager, but you do stupid stuff.
Anyway, these guys got caught stealing sheep.
And the punishment back then, if you are a
sheep thief is you got a brand on your
forehead.
I said ST, you know, sheep, thief.
Okay.
Well, these two guys got caught and they're
both branded on their forehead, which is
obviously very shameful.
For one guy, he said, I'm a sheep thief.
I'm going to be a sheep thief and his life
went down, gotten into, you know, alcoholism
and eventually died in a knife fight.
Okay.
This other guy said, it's my fault.
I'm just going to do the best.
I'm going to own it and move on.
Okay.
Well, eventually he started a family.
He gave the community, built a business and
was a very generous man.
Okay.
And when he eventually passed away, it was
a big funeral, hundreds and hundreds of
the people from the town were there and
said, what does ST mean?
The little child asked, what does ST mean?
And the mother said, honey, that means
saint.
Yeah.
Okay.
There you go.
So you take a look at Fort Bragg.
Now Fort Liberty.
Is Fort Liberty a good name?
It is.
It is a good name for Fort Bragg, which has a
heritage of winning two World Wars.
Okay.
Yeah.
I believe that if this name goes back to
Fort Bragg, it will be a name.
What was that?
It'll be welcomed.
And it'll be a sign of reconciliation.
Yeah.
I mean, think about how difficult it must
have been for Lincoln.
You know, post the death of 600,000
Americans between the north and the south.
That is bloody violence.
And he had to bring them together.
I mean, what are you going to do?
Just murder the rest?
No, you can't.
You have to think and act with a wise
hand.
It requires forgiveness and reconciliation.
Okay.
America has a complex past.
We've done some great things.
We were one of the first countries in
history of the world to say, hey, we
need to stop slavery.
People speak of our past and that
context.
They need to understand the proper
context.
Of course.
Without that education.
You know what?
Forgive me if I sound like I'm trying
to teach you something.
But we need to understand our history
and say, hey, we are becoming a
more perfect union and it is a
process.
So that said, we should judge
people in their time.
And by any measure, the United
States, especially at our founding, was
far ahead of our time.
And so that said, to change the names
back to, for example, Fort Bragg, it
is a good thing.
And part of big picture now looking
through a spectrum of war lens,
changing a country's heritage or
rather creating a distance between
the people and their heritage is
one way to cause division in a
country and subvert it.
Sure.
Of course.
And that's exactly what they're
doing.
I was just curious if West Point is
aware that if you take down the
reconciliation monument, I mean,
that's a crime in my view.
Because what it represents, as you
said.
Yeah.
So that said, it's going to take
some big changes.
But even then, Todd, we believe
it's going to take a generation to
make this.
Because there are people who
cadets admit shipment, for
example, who go to West Point
in Minneapolis.
They go in believing with, you
know, honest and, you know, heart
and a little bit of naivete.
So they believe, oh, these are my
commanders.
You know, these are my shipmates
and our senior shipmates.
So they should know what's right.
Yeah.
But like you said, this march
has been going on for decades.
So when they are told, hey,
you know, diversity, equity and
inclusion, CRT, those are good
things.
Some of them believe it.
I get that.
But they have to be taught otherwise.
They do.
But anyway, if we have time, I
can tell you one more concept.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah.
So, okay.
And I got this from, you know,
General Ernie Adino, West Point
Class of 83 and Carthus Society
member, he said that the change
that we believe is going to
take place in us to get back
on normal will take about a
generation and use the example
of the United States Army
Vietnam War back in 72.
And it was awful.
I mean, racism
was rampant.
Drugs were rampant.
An officer couldn't go through
the barracks without carrying
because his own men would frag
him.
You know, training was abysmal.
We didn't have the equipment
we need.
It was old.
It was a very weak army.
Okay.
Now back before about
20 years in 1991
in the first Gulf War,
we took about nine months
to build up to almost a million
soldiers and then about 100
hours, bam.
Think about that.
An assault of 100 hours.
Now that was a big transition.
It took time to get
the money, to get the funding,
to train the troops, to get out
the old ones.
And it took.
Okay.
You can quote me on this.
About a half a dozen leaders
who were generals in the army
and we are done with this.
And there are books that have been
written about it.
I remember some stories told,
you might have heard these two,
Todd, where the officers
and the senior NCOs went through
a barracks from top to bottom
and they threw everything out
of the window, literally
threw everything out of the
window that was not government
issue or that was even
questionable.
We're talking drugs.
We're talking lava lamps.
And it happened all over the army
all at once, but it took time.
Similarly, it will take
leaders.
Now, understand that
MacArthur society is a nonprofit.
The issue we are taking up is
political national defense, but
we are not partisan.
So that said,
obviously we have a
POTUS president of the United
States who is for a strong
national defense and the
policies that he is promoting
we're for.
We're not speaking to the
candidate, we're speaking to the
policies that we think are very
good.
But it only takes a small
number of courageous leaders
who are critical thinkers who
can make change happen.
It will take a long time.
MacArthur society is a
watchdog for West Point.
We do some work, obviously
with trusted alumni societies
and we do some work with
the West Point Academy, which
makes us a stronger coalition,
but we believe it's going to
take a long time.
Once you plant a tree 30 years
ago, when is the next best time
today?
That's kind of where we are.
We are, I will tell you, we are
the four tip of the sphere for
long term reform of our
service academies.
Hopefully that
questions.
No, that's it.
If you have more information, let
us know.
Appreciate your support for AFP too.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
Great to be here, Todd.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.