WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.520 Want to welcome Josh Hammer onto the show next. He's a senior editor at Large at Newsweek, 00:00:05.640 --> 00:00:09.820 host of the Josh Hammer Show. Josh, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. How you doing? 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:15.100 Andrew, I'm doing great, my friend. You know, it is morning in America. As a famous man, 00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:18.840 one said about four and a half decades ago, and it's really great to be back on the Charlie 00:00:18.840 --> 00:00:21.060 Kirk Show with you, my good friend Andrew Colvin. 00:00:21.800 --> 00:00:27.280 Yeah, absolutely. Josh, I'm so glad to have you. I mean, there's just so much to discuss. 00:00:27.880 --> 00:00:34.700 But the real impetus for this was your op-ed and Newsweek. And I thought it was a really, 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:40.340 really fun title for an op-ed, first of all. The Cold Civil War is over. We won. 00:00:40.820 --> 00:00:47.740 Now, Josh, I want you to make your argument here, but I just want to say I'm not popping 00:00:47.740 --> 00:00:48.740 champagne just yet. 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:52.860 There's a lot of work to do, but I think the premise of your article holds. 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.760 Why do you say we won the Cold Civil War? 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:57.140 What is the Cold Civil War? 00:00:57.580 --> 00:00:57.980 Make your case. 00:00:59.870 --> 00:01:05.890 And let me first say that the fact that the enemy is slayed, at least for the time being, 00:01:06.110 --> 00:01:10.330 I agree does not necessarily mean that it will not one day God forbid possibly rise 00:01:10.330 --> 00:01:15.790 like a phoenix from the ashes to create more chaos in mayhem and to sow the seeds of discourse 00:01:16.456 --> 00:01:17.150 here in America. 00:01:17.370 --> 00:01:22.430 So while I am definitely celebrating, I agree that we should not rest on our laurels. 00:01:22.570 --> 00:01:24.610 It is definitely time to keep the momentum going. 00:01:26.940 --> 00:01:30.080 very fun title. I'm glad you agree with me. I thought it was a very fun title as well. 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:36.540 Is that what we've seen thus far in the opening week or so of the second Donald Trump administration 00:01:37.180 --> 00:01:44.760 is the most transformative cultural paradigm shifting moment that I think we've seen probably 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:50.620 in our lifetimes. And basically in the column, Andrew, I take a step back. Barack Obama declared war 00:01:51.420 --> 00:01:56.860 He declared war on America and instituted our modern American civil war, our cold civil 00:01:56.860 --> 00:01:58.380 roiling cold civil war. 00:01:58.740 --> 00:02:01.380 This happened because Barack Obama basically said that he was doing it. 00:02:01.440 --> 00:02:03.240 He famously said in February 2000 name. 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:07.260 that he sought to fundamentally transform America. And one does not seek to fundamentally 00:02:07.260 --> 00:02:11.660 transform that which he loves or seeks to conserve. And we saw this time and time again 00:02:11.660 --> 00:02:15.480 throughout the Obama presidency, whether it came to Obamacare, the largest entitlement since 00:02:15.480 --> 00:02:20.460 Lyndon Johnson's great society, when it came to the issue of beating up on cops, 00:02:20.700 --> 00:02:25.080 of exacerbating racial relations, of having Eric Holder, his attorney general, 00:02:25.600 --> 00:02:29.300 use so-called disparate impact theory. That was kind of the predecessor to 00:02:33.040 --> 00:02:37.880 the Iran deal. Barack Obama tried time and time again to declare war on the half America 00:02:37.880 --> 00:02:43.260 that he infamously called bitter clingers that Hillary Clinton 2016 referred to as deplorables. 00:02:43.920 --> 00:02:49.220 And that civil war was stopped for four years by the Donald Trump administration or at least 00:02:49.220 --> 00:02:53.180 three and a half years or so until George Floyd met Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis, Minnesota. 00:02:53.700 --> 00:02:58.220 And we all saw what happened from there, the riots of the summer of 2020 and there. And 00:02:58.220 --> 00:02:59.480 then we got peak woke. 00:02:59.820 --> 00:03:04.140 The past four years prior to Donald Trump getting back in the Oval Office, the Joe Biden presidency, 00:03:04.300 --> 00:03:08.100 this is peak woke, Andrew, peak woke. He literally chose a vice president of the United States, 00:03:08.220 --> 00:03:11.440 Kamala Harris, because she was a quote unquote woman of color. He literally chose 00:03:11.440 --> 00:03:14.700 his one justice on the United States Supreme Court, Katanji Brown Jackson, 00:03:14.820 --> 00:03:17.740 because she is a quote unquote woman of color. Time and time again. 00:03:18.200 --> 00:03:23.080 as folks like Chris Rufo have reported, they weaponized all the various instrumentalities 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.680 of the American administrative state and executive branch to implement so-called DEI 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.500 to overtly discriminate against white people, against Christians, Jews, Asians, 00:03:31.640 --> 00:03:36.440 in favor of blacks, Hispanics, and so forth there. And just basically everything that we 00:03:36.440 --> 00:03:42.260 saw over the past four years, this was the moment that woke reached, I think, its apotheosis. 00:03:42.860 --> 00:03:47.380 It's been slayed, it's been slayed because Donald Trump, Andrew, adopted a mentality 00:03:47.380 --> 00:03:50.280 to go back to the morning in America line that I was saying a few minutes ago. 00:03:50.380 --> 00:03:52.140 He adopted an old Reaganite mantra. 00:03:52.580 --> 00:03:56.740 And what Ronald Reagan famously said when he was asked for his approach to the Cold War, 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:01.780 and he came into power in 1980, coming off the 1970s, you had differing opinions in 1970s. 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:06.260 There was Henry Kissinger and Dayton, there was kind of the Cold War hawked about them. 00:04:10.720 --> 00:04:14.940 and they lose. People said that he was crazy, that he was a cowboy, he was a warmonger. But 00:04:14.940 --> 00:04:19.720 that mentality, Andrew, helped win the Cold War. I think Donald Trump has taken that exact same 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:24.320 mentality to his second term in office. And I'm not entirely sure what the exact moment was. 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:29.340 that galvanize him to adopt this Reaganite mantra. I suspect it was probably around the time that Joe 00:04:29.340 --> 00:04:33.820 Biden, Merrick Garland, and so-called special counsel Jack Smith, started to incarcerate him, 00:04:33.900 --> 00:04:37.220 to prosecute him, try to throw him in jail, bankrupt him, ruin him of all his possessions, 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:40.600 basically deprive him of his liberty and his livelihood. Maybe it was around the time that 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.280 Thomas Matthew Crooks in Butler, Pennsylvania came within millimeters of assassinating him 00:04:44.280 --> 00:04:48.340 before a global television audience. But at some point, at some point, Donald Trump 00:04:48.700 --> 00:04:53.680 had kind of his Clarence Thomas 1991 Anita Hill moments where he looked at all this radicalization 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.040 around him and said, you know what, this is enough. 00:04:56.400 --> 00:05:00.180 I am over this, and you know what, to quote Barack Obama. 00:05:00.520 --> 00:05:05.340 get me my freaking pen, get me my freaking phone, because this crap ain't gonna fly anymore, come 00:05:05.340 --> 00:05:11.040 day one. And that was what we saw last weekend, we saw all these executive orders. I mean, the DEI 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:15.160 executive order alone, just focusing on that one executive order, and there's been so many 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.900 amazing ones, it's hard to know even where to start, there's been the gender ideology, 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.320 birthright citizenship, it's amazing stuff coming out of this White House. 00:05:21.620 --> 00:05:26.400 But just the DEI executive order, it doesn't just get rid of DEI, 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.980 in the executive branch. It actually goes way past that. It instructs the attorney general 00:05:30.980 --> 00:05:35.840 and the secretary of education, the whole cabinet, to enforce Title VI and to interpret 00:05:35.840 --> 00:05:40.100 the Supreme Court's affirmative action case, tunes for fair emissions, so as to effectively 00:05:40.100 --> 00:05:46.500 ban DEI in any taxpayer support institution in America. This is the kind of stuff that 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:54.100 Let's not rest nor laurels. I understand like you know constant vigilance and let's keep our 00:05:54.100 --> 00:05:58.020 let's keep our foot on the gas pedal and keep on plowing full speed ahead. 00:05:58.320 --> 00:06:03.740 But for now, for now what we have seen is the stuff of legends, frankly. It kind of reminds me 00:06:03.740 --> 00:06:08.740 as I said in the column, I remember when I was a kid learning about how the English took over 00:06:08.740 --> 00:06:12.700 what was then called New Amsterdam. And then they renamed the New York City from Peter Stuyves in 00:06:16.400 --> 00:06:20.660 fight without firing a single shot because it was just a pure, unmitigated demonstration 00:06:20.660 --> 00:06:21.360 of force. 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:24.000 And the enemy yielded at that demonstration of force. 00:06:24.220 --> 00:06:26.360 That's very much how I view what happened over this past week. 00:06:27.520 --> 00:06:30.500 I think that was extraordinarily well said, Josh. 00:06:31.880 --> 00:06:37.560 And I want to believe that all of this is going to happen without a single shot. 00:06:37.780 --> 00:06:43.720 I mean, and there's a lot of reason to believe that we have now become the dominant force 00:06:44.810 --> 00:06:48.930 And not just politically, which obviously we control the three branches of the government, 00:06:49.130 --> 00:06:54.590 but culturally, philosophically, ideologically, you can feel the momentum behind more of a 00:06:54.590 --> 00:07:00.490 traditional Americana, this triumphant Americana, this manifest destiny, whether it be Greenland 00:07:00.490 --> 00:07:04.790 or Panama or Canada, or just retaking the border. 00:07:05.110 --> 00:07:09.130 Pete Heg said saying, yeah, we're going to get operational control of our southern border. 00:07:09.290 --> 00:07:10.230 You've got ICE raids. 00:07:14.090 --> 00:07:17.090 is doing a fantastic job projecting strength to the world. 00:07:17.430 --> 00:07:21.390 You saw this with Columbia and the little tiff that happened over the weekend, how quickly 00:07:21.390 --> 00:07:25.190 that was resolved, and then and then and then and on and on and on it goes. 00:07:25.990 --> 00:07:28.496 And what I find particularly- 00:07:29.410 --> 00:07:32.530 Instructive and encouraging Josh is the polling. 00:07:33.130 --> 00:07:37.670 You've got Harry Enten at CNN going on in front of Casey Hunt or whatever the host 00:07:37.670 --> 00:07:40.690 is going like, hey, these numbers are extraordinary. 00:07:41.270 --> 00:07:46.810 And just for our audience's sake, consider this, Donald Trump is the only- 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.380 President in the history of the country that has a higher approval rating at the start 00:07:51.380 --> 00:07:54.160 of his second term than he ever did in his first term. 00:07:54.360 --> 00:08:00.980 A majority of all Americans support deportation of all, not some, not the worst first. 00:08:01.260 --> 00:08:05.320 Which obviously Tom Homan, budget constraints, manpower constraints, starting with the worst 00:08:05.320 --> 00:08:05.720 first. 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:12.740 But a majority, a clear majority across like five different polls say that Americans support 00:08:14.170 --> 00:08:21.710 all illegals. This is a phenomenal, phenomenal showing. And it shows, Josh, that the main 00:08:21.710 --> 00:08:26.390 street America, average America is seeing the changes already or seeing the momentum shift 00:08:26.390 --> 00:08:33.890 and American malaise is out. America's self constraint is out. And so I do wanna be really, 00:08:33.890 --> 00:08:38.890 really encouraged by this. There's a part of me that just I think can't get over the trauma of 2020 00:08:43.310 --> 00:08:45.150 Do you think this has staying power? 00:08:45.350 --> 00:08:48.590 Do you think we are at the beginning of an 8-12-year run? 00:08:49.990 --> 00:08:50.610 I do. 00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:55.780 I absolutely do. I think that JD Vance as vice president of the United States is kind of the 00:08:55.780 --> 00:09:00.340 natural heir to the throne. And we'll obviously have that debate, I presume, in the year 2028. 00:09:00.400 --> 00:09:05.060 But God willing, the next four years will go well. And JD, who is literally only 40 years old, 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:08.560 is kind of a logical successor there. And that's part of the reasons that Donald Trump tapped 00:09:08.560 --> 00:09:12.200 JD Vance in the first place, right? And because he's making a long term play here. 00:09:12.580 --> 00:09:14.840 But I mean, look at his cabinet picks. I mean, you mentioned Pete Hegseth. 00:09:14.940 --> 00:09:19.540 Pete Hegseth is about 44, 45 years old. I mean, so many of these cabinet picks are very, 00:09:20.270 --> 00:09:25.550 people. This is a movement, Andrew. And what's so fascinating is that MAGA America first, 00:09:25.890 --> 00:09:29.090 just being on the right of center right now in America more generally speaking. 00:09:30.250 --> 00:09:34.530 This is cool, I mean, this is kind of the anti-establishment mentality, the same way 00:09:34.530 --> 00:09:40.150 that Barack Obama was considered irreverence, and back 1960s all the quote unquote self-professed 00:09:40.150 --> 00:09:44.670 school kids, we're burning down college campuses, the Vietnam War, all that stuff, MAGA is basically 00:09:44.670 --> 00:09:45.290 that today. 00:09:45.670 --> 00:09:48.930 I mean, this is kind of the middle finger to the establishment, the Democratic Party 00:09:48.930 --> 00:09:54.250 is a rotting carcass, it is filled with octogenarians, septuagenarians, people who are literally 00:09:54.250 --> 00:09:58.070 two to three decades past their prime, Joe Biden's obviously a perfect encapsulation 00:09:59.150 --> 00:10:02.610 And the Republican Party is filled with young, up-and-coming people who have an inherent 00:10:02.610 --> 00:10:03.770 love of their country there. 00:10:04.050 --> 00:10:06.110 And that's being reflected in the popular culture. 00:10:06.250 --> 00:10:09.710 Look at all the people in these NFL playoffs and the college football playoffs who are doing 00:10:09.710 --> 00:10:13.830 the Trump dance in the end zone after getting a touchdown, Carrie Underwood going acapella 00:10:13.830 --> 00:10:15.110 at the inaugural address there. 00:10:15.390 --> 00:10:19.450 Just so many cultural moments and these big tech oligarchs, I mean, just on and on.