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Jack, I want to get your reaction to this person, I don't even want to call her a bishop,

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this activist.

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Let's do it this way.

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This is an activist.

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I think that's the proper and appropriate term.

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This activist who was scolding President Trump, this is her explanation as to why she did

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this.

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This is activist Marianne Edgar Buddy, political activist, play cut 82.

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to counter as gently as I could with a reminder of their humanity and their place in our wider community.

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And I was speaking to the president because I felt that he has this moment now where he feels

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charged and empowered to do what he feels called to do, and I wanted to say, you know, there is room for mercy.

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There's room for a broader compassion.

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We don't need to portray with a broad cloth

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and the harshest of terms

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some of the most vulnerable people in our society.

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Jack Hibbs, first from just the improper delivery

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to do this, the day after inauguration.

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Jack Hibbs, your thoughts.

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First of all, Charlie, who does she think she is? Don't let her little frail demeanor fool you.

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The magnitude of arrogance and pride that she exhibited to disgrace the US president,

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to school him like she did, on top of the overwhelming fact that she has no business

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being there. And that's according to the scriptures. She's usurping authority.

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She's in a position that the scriptures, first and second, Timothy says ought not to be happening.

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She's so out of touch or she's in touch with the particular side that she represents that

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it was her moment to be the prophet of nothingness, the prophet of wokeism, the prophet of defending

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the those that are hurting.

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Are you kidding me?

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Charlie, I've been to the border numerous times. I saw the border before Trump took office. I saw

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the border after Trump took office and I spoke to border agents. You want to talk about mercy?

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They told me what was going on and what stopped when Trump in his first term took power.

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That was an act of mercy because things were shut down. The trafficking began to diminish

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and things because law and order began to prevail.

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This person should be embarrassed, but I don't think she will be. And whoever is responsible for

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having her up there did a great dishonor to the National Cathedral and to really what is called

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faith in Jesus Christ in this nation of ours.

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Because the Bible tells us, Charlie, you know this well, that in the last days there's going to be false prophets, false teachers, false representations of what is Christianity,

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disguising themselves in the place of religion, but denying the power thereof. There is no obedience to the word of God on this, and it was certainly not her place to say what she said in a public setting like this, disgraceful, but frankly, not surprised, sad to say.